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Laws are Dumb, They just are
Thursday, July 10, 2008 - General
Why do I think laws are dumb? Because it's impossible for one person to know them all. So why do you have to follow them all? You'd think that in 5000+ years we'd have come up with a better system to keep the peace.

Take this intersection for example. As a cyclist, what exactly am I supposed to do here? In other words, when I, hypothetically, blow through this intersection on my bike, am I breaking any laws? I got a ticket for running a stop sign a couple of years ago and it changed my life. I'd driven a car for 8 years and have never gotten a ticket. I ride my bike for 6 months and Wham-o! So much for saving money.

So anyway, now I want to make sure I'm doing everything right. Do I need to stop and put my foot down at this intersection or not?

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Thursday, July 10, 2008, 4:50 pm
Yes, you are supposed to stop here -- there's a stop sign. Bikes are considered cars (vehicles). A full stop for a car is 3 seconds (not rolling), a full stop for a bike is foot down.

Monday, July 14, 2008, 5:51 pm
I was told by a cop that it didn't matter if you put a foot down -- just fully stopped for 3 seconds and waited your turn to go.

Garrett Peck
Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 9:22 am
Yes you do have to stop, but you do not have to put your foot down.

Here's why:
CVC Section 22450:

Stop Requirements

22450. (a) The driver of any vehicle approaching a stop sign at the entrance to, or within, an intersection, or railroad grade crossing shall stop at a limit line, if marked, otherwise before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection.
If there is no limit line or crosswalk, the driver shall stop at the entrance to the intersecting roadway or railroad grade crossing.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a local authority may adopt rules and regulations by ordinance or resolution providing for the placement of a stop sign at any location on a highway under its jurisdiction where the stop sign would enhance traffic safety.

Amended Ch. 272, Stats. 1993. Effective August 2, 1993.

CVC section 587:
Stop or Stopping

587. "Stop or stopping" when prohibited shall mean any cessation of movement of a vehicle, whether occupied or not, except when necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic or in compliance with the direction of a police officer or official traffic control device or signal.

Added Ch. 1917, Stats. 1961. Effective September 15, 1961.

The Dude
Sunday, July 20, 2008, 1:25 am
Of course you have to stop! I am tired of cyclists here in Davis not stopping Downtown. Sure you save a few seconds, but it is harder for vehicle to see you. Is your life worth a few seconds?

Sunday, July 20, 2008, 1:44 am
Thanks for reading my blog.

I know the law. What I don't understand is why you would expect cyclists to stop when there is a thick white line in the car lane and not the bike lane and the bike lane has a "go right ahead" arrow painted in it.

Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 12:09 am
I don't see cops around, so no. You don't have to stop.

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